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		<description><![CDATA[I&#8217;m Making THEM Angry As you know by now, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae announced that they are virtually denying all loans to real estate investors. They have come up with a whole bunch of new ridiculous rules including: Eliminating stated income loans to self-employed borrowers Reducing the maximum number of properties you are allowed [...]]]></description>
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<p>As you know by now, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae announced that they are virtually denying all loans to real estate investors. They have come up with a whole bunch of new ridiculous rules including:</p>
<ul>
<li> Eliminating stated income loans to self-employed borrowers</li>
<li>Reducing the maximum number of properties you are allowed to have financed to 4</li>
<li>Eliminating cash out refinances if you have owned the property for less than 6 months</li>
<li>Eliminating refinances if you have the property titles in an LLC</li>
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<p>If you’re an Insights subscriber, you (hopefully) know by now that I think these rules are complete crap.</p>
<p>As a result of this, I have been letting investors in on a secret that I have been using for years – <strong>portfolio loans. </strong></p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.getaportfolioloan.com">The portfolio loan strategy</a> is one that I feel so passionate about, I have been visiting the REI forums answering financing questions about the new rules and educating real estate investors about the alternatives that are out there to conventional loans.</p>
<p>In doing so, a couple of *very* interesting things have happened.</p>
<h2>GB Mortgage Terminates My Broker Approval</h2>
<p><strong>First, </strong>I received a call from a lender that I have done business with for a couple of years, GB Mortgage. GB is a Fannie Mae lender meaning they underwrite to Fannie rules and sell their loans into the secondary market. GB told me that they were terminating my broker approval.</p>
<p>Apparently, an underwriter got bored while she was underwriting a file one of my loan officers submitted and she Googled me. She found my ebook, <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.mortgagesecretsbook.com">Mortgage Secrets for Real Estate Investors</a> and the forums where I regularly post.</p>
<p>According to GB, they suspect that what I am teaching real estate investors is suspicious and in their words <strong><em>“we don’t think anyone should be teaching investors how to get loans.”</em></strong></p>
<h2>I Get Flamed By Mortgage Brokers on the Discussion Boards</h2>
<p><strong>The second thing that has happened</strong> is a *wave* of backlash from my fellow mortgage brokers around the country.</p>
<p>And they’re mad because I am spilling the beans on <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.getaportfolioloan.com">portfolio loans</a>.</p>
<p>Here’s the scoop on portfolio lenders – they don’t work with mortgage brokers like other lenders do.</p>
<p>When I (used to) send loans to GB Mortgage, I would get wholesale rates and they would charge zero origination or other loan fees. I charged 1% origination, a processing fee and it was a good deal for all since the rates that I passed on to my investor clients were cheaper than what they could get by going to GB Mortgage directly.</p>
<p>Portfolio lenders don’t have “wholesale” channels to accept third party originations. Sure, I work with a some great portfolio lenders that I can refer you to but <strong>if I actually broker the loan, you will get charged DOUBLE origination and processing.</strong></p>
<p>Not a good deal, in my opinion.</p>
<p>Well, brokers are very protective of their territory I guess because here is one example of a “battle of the brokers.” This guy was mad because I shared that one of my <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.getaportfolioloan.com">Portfolio Loan Blueprint</a> customers got a term sheet offered to refinance her properties into LLC loans at 5.5%.<strong></strong></p>
<p><strong>I wrote:</strong><em></em></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Mortgage brokers can&#8217;t broker portfolio loans for investors. They don&#8217;t have wholesale channels so if a &#8220;mortgage professional&#8221; claims they can broker portfolio loans chances are good they are not being truthful. Unless they have negotiated a master loan commitment with a local lender but even then I would proceed with caution because you will probably be paying double origination.</em></p>
<p><em>This is obviously a touchy subject for mortgage brokers since we are being shut out by the conventional lenders and can&#8217;t profit on portfolio loans. But the misconception that portfolio loans have higher rates than conventional loans is forcing a lot of investors to stay in conventional loans instead of considering a portfolio refi strategy that would once again make them &#8220;financeable&#8221; in the eyes of Fannie and Freddie. </em></p></blockquote>
<p><strong>And one of the angry brokers replied:</strong></p>
<blockquote><p><em>Susan, The above statement is partially untrue. I have brokered plenty of my customers to local banks for lines of credit as well as construction loans for investors. Many times the documentation that the bank requests is <strong>above the heads of the regular investor</strong>, and having a mortgage broker that is familiar with an executive summary, a profit and loss, and other documents can make things a whole lot easier. And you are correct in the fact that many times <strong>you will end up paying two points origination versus one point but because of the value of the service provided I have never had a customer complain</strong> about fees that I had previously disclosed.</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Ei yi yi.</p>
<p>This broker just called us dumb and said we’d be fine paying double for him to “broker” our deal to a portfolio lender.</p>
<p>I don’t think so.</p>
<p>So, back to my (somewhat rhetorical) question: why are *they* so angry?</p>
<p>Because *they* are getting squeezed out and we real estate investors aren’t as dumb as *they* think we are.</p>
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